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How To => D.A.W. Help => Topic started by: Studioplayer on June 28, 2008, 10:18:25 PM
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OK, So I have a new DAW. Quad core, XP, 2g ram, and my new E-mu 1212m soundcard. Loaded lots of my programs and plugs. First BIG issue. Latency !! I have sound out (no problem) and so far I can only get sound in with my 1/4" inputs. (Can't get s/pdif sound. Another issue) :(
Anyways I go to hit record, Sonar 7 or Acid Pro along with a drum loop and my recorded file is coming in after the beat. It's not recording on time. Any ideas how to solve that? Never had that problem before. :'(
Also if anyone has the 1212M soundcard, what's the 'Patchmix DSP Mixer' for?
Help!!!
Bummed... Dave :'(
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Hi Dave,
Computer problems suck >:(
I have an idea that may help.
Control Panel
Sound and Audio Devices
Audio Tab/ Advance
Proformance
Or
check hardware tab and find your sound card....there may be a setting that can be tweeked.
It's worth a try.
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Might want to check out ASIO4All.com
This helped with my latency problem.
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Here is some stuff Dave.
http://www.emu.com/support/files/download2.asp?Centric=761&Platform=1
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov05/articles/emupatchmix.htm
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OK. I'm jumping the gun a bit I guess. I didn't realize the Patchmix was an important part. ::) I got the S/pdif working. Wow!! Bright clear sound. Still have latency. Hmmm. Guess I'll have to go through all the instructions. Tons of it!! :(
Thanks Nick, I'll check out the link. I may have to pick your brain if I'm stuck. I know you have the same card.
Dave
Gonna be great once I get it all figured out.
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Yep. Good links. I've installed all the updates and proper drivers. The Sound On Sound article looks good. SOS article "but many PC musicians find various aspects of their associated Patchmix DSP utility difficult to comprehend. It's not that the mixer is difficult to use; more that it offers so many possible options that it can be difficult for the newcomer to perform even basic tasks." ;D YEP !!!
What's the stereo defaults and templates Nick?
Downloading em. THANKS !!! I hate this part of setting up. :P
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The templates and session opr whatever they are called should be quick setups that work with sonar.I couldn't tell you a thing about patchmix! I set mine up with the help of the stuff I posted and forgot about it. I really don't use the patchmix plugs at all.
Probably great for zero latency FX...just never use them.
I use the asio drivers. The newest drivers are out so you might want to check your versions.
Let me know if you get stuck.
Nick
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Patchmix is Great, but you have to get used to it.
I used to have a mixing board and run everything through it and then into the computer.
Patchmix is so much more flexible, I sold the mixer.
I'm not wild about the onchip effects, I don't use them but they could be used.
I have the 1820m and with 18inputs I can leave everything plugged in and reroute how everything is plugged in very easy.
Good for recording guitar then sending it out for modeling and back into the computer for monitoring.
I use the S/Pdif loop for outboard effects processing as a system effect.
It's really easy to drag the outboard processor to a channel to use as an insert effect when you need it.
Understanding the sends and channels is very important.
So in your DAW you choose inputs available from the sends you put in patchmix and choose outputs according to the strips you've setup in patchmix.
The new software is cool because you can have two mono inputs or a stereo input from an input pair. I'm always changing things to improve workflow.
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I'm slowly starting to get my brain around it. Still having lots of issues. I seem to have my tracks recording on time now in Sonar. Acid pro is still lagging. Weird. I was able to record 3 tracks at once with my pod. L&R in and stereo S/pdif. Pretty cool. I thought it was sounding great but as I check the properties on the recorded files it's only 16bit. My bit rate is grayed out. It's supposed to be 24. Damn.... This is not fun. :(
I'll keep at it.
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What sample rate are you using? I do 24X44.
Did you get rid of the aud.ini File? It will rebuild when you fire up sonar again.
Did you try one of the sessions?
Nick
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You can change the sample rate in Patchmix but you can also do it in cubase.
But the bit depth is in project setup in cubase, sonar must have something like that in the control panel or something?
Where was 24bit grayed out?
What driver are you using in Sonar? Needs to be EmuAsio or something like that, I'm not in the studio now.
I run 24/48.
Just takes time.
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What sample rate are you using? I do 24X44.
Did you get rid of the aud.ini File? It will rebuild when you fire up sonar again.
Did you try one of the sessions?
Nick
I'm using 24x44
Didn't get rid of an aud.ini file. Didn't know there is one. ??? NOTE: I'm learning Sonar at the same time. I use to use Acid Pro.
I tried a couple of the sessions but it made my sound go nuts!! Tons of noise. ???
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You can change the sample rate in Patchmix but you can also do it in cubase.
But the bit depth is in project setup in cubase, sonar must have something like that in the control panel or something?
Where was 24bit grayed out?
What driver are you using in Sonar? Needs to be EmuAsio or something like that, I'm not in the studio now.
I run 24/48.
Just takes time.
I tried Asio in Sonar and my 24bit is grayed out. When I set it to WDM/KS ??? I get more options. I'll check the rate in Patchmix. Haven't tried 24/48.
I'll keep playing around. So far not working too well. I get everything from no sound to multi-track 16 bit recording to lag & stuttering to my recordings not coming in on time. Arrrgghhh..... It's hard to say exactly what I'm doing. Right now I have to go into the house to connect to the internet. I think I'm going to get a wireless card today so I can go online in the studio. At least that way I can look up some possible solutions.
It's all fast equipment and a good soundcard. Should be a piece of cake but... :'(
This is why I hesitated to change my equipment. I'm sure it will work out in the end. LOL
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In Sonar when I set it to WDM/KS drivers I get options for bit rate. I set it to 24 and it records 16. ???
When I set it to ASIO it grays out the options. It says 24 in the gray area. Still records 16.
I can only find sample rates on the Patchmix. I don't see any mention of bit rates.
OK...I'll keep reading articles and manuals. See if I can figure this out. ::)
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Did you disable the onboard sound?
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I thought so. I had a Tec guy from work set up my computer. I told him to disable the onboard sound. I noticed Sonar was using an ATI driver that I couldn't change and just checked my onboard sound and sure enough it was enabled. I disabled it, rebooted and Sonar still only gives me 16 bit. It now only shows the E-mu drivers though. Very strange.
I was just about to see if anything is in the Sonar forum about this. ???
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Ok. Maybe Sonar's confused by the drivers since the onboard was enabled. I still can't get it to go to 24bit no matter what I try. I'm thinking I should uninstall Sonar and reinstall it. The soundcard and Patchmix seems to be working just fine. ???
This is frustrating. ;D
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Did you get rid of the aud.ini File? It will rebuild when you fire up sonar again.
I removed the existing aud.ini file and it rebuilt a new one. Still 16 bit. It seems I have to change a line in the .ini file. Trying to figure it out. ::)
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Thanks Nick. It was to do with the .ini file. I had to make a change on one line. Change the value to 1. I now have 24 bit and it seems to be on time.
Woo Hoo!! >:D
Now I'm just recording too hot. Getting distorted. That should be easier to figure out.
Thanks for the help guys !!
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Good to hear you are getting closer!
i will save my session and send it tomorrow.
Nick
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Now I'm just recording too hot. Getting distorted. That should be easier to figure out.
Shouldn't need to record too hot with 24 bit, you can happily stay out the red.
CD
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Ha, I'm in Sonar hell right now. Trying to figure it all out. Plus 24 bit. Seems I don't need to record (or can't) as loud as I did with 16 bit. It's all new to me. Getting it figured out though. Should be up and recording soon. Nice to be able to multi track. CPU barely moves. >:D
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I've never had a quad core , but on my dual core the CPU meter alternates between the two cores, does it show you CPU usuage for each core on a quad ?
CD
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Yeah. It's pretty cool. I loaded all the seps of the rock song I have with Curtis, played it and in the bottom right hand corner it shows the 4 cpu's alternating. the only cpu that showed anything was #2 ??? 1, 3, & 4 were at 0 and 2 was running at about 1%. It's not a lot of seps but it sure has no problem. I can still throw a couple more gigs of ram in. I have 2gigs for now. Btw, the Sonar training video is a big help. Also I started out on Cakewalk when I first started to record so that helps. I'll be using Sonar from now on. :)
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Sounds good bro!
Glad everything is working well with your new setup :)
Todd
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Cool
You are running out of excuses not to do some new tracks ;D
CD
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Thanks Todd. It's starting to come together. It was hell and very frustrating getting it setup. Especially when Sonar doesn't properly reconize the soundcard. Nick helped with a tip. :)
I can do basic stuff so far CD. Still have to figure out the midi. I'll get a midi keyboard controller next. I have a ton of sounds and would love to use them. :)
Dave
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I can do basic stuff so far CD. Still have to figure out the midi. I'll get a midi keyboard controller next. I have a ton of sounds and would love to use them. :)
Dave
That should be pretty straightforward...I have a little 2 octave Evolution Keyboard which is fine for my two fingered playing ;D
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