Musicians Collaboration Studio
How To => Free Pluggins, Utilities and Cool Finds => Topic started by: NickT on July 31, 2006, 03:15:33 AM
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Ok...I spent about two hours here jamming with people I don't know.
I installed this tiny client...joined a server and was playing in a couple minutes with 6 people. When you are done, you run a little utility and it puts it all together right in Reaper! I sort of mixed this (it's 3AM!)
http://ninjam.com/
This was fun! I could see us using this. The demo is rough...but it's live...yeah, me hacking on acoustic! ::)
Same people that make Reaper. Well, Hope you like it!
Nick
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That looks fun :) I'll have a look at it after dinner :)
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They have OSX and XP clients, so that's cool. It's based on introducing latency (I know...sounds strange) But it works. Maybe not great for working up arrangements...of course unless you can set up Skype for realtime speach.....hmmmmmm. Have to think about that.
Either way...It was fun!
Nick
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OMG I had soooooo much fun jammin with this keyboard player it was great! Thanks so much Nick for the tip. Can we have our own MC server? Please Please Please!
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OMG I had soooooo much fun jammin with this keyboard player it was great! Thanks so much Nick for the tip. Can we have our own MC server? Please Please Please!
Glad you like it Dave!
I had a blast last night. I am looking into server space for that. Have to find out about the bandwidth and storage...of course there are a few members with standalone servers here! :)
I am on it!
Nick
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How has servers? I can see with skype this would be a great way to work out parts and compose.
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I read a thread someplace where they were doing that...Skype and Ninjam.
Makes me go Crossed eyed when I think how they do it. :D
If the bandwidth is not unreal...I bet I could host it somewhere.
Nick
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I've been hit or miss on this. There are some people there that like to come on the channel and just step on toes and not really want to start anything but hear their own riffs. I have to say though, I had some great jams there. The nature of the software really lends it self to groove oriented stuff which I dig on. If you ever get a chance to play with a keyboard player Will jump at it. Last night I was jamming with this guy Cam who even with a bandaid on his finger was able to pull of some amazing riffs. I could just tell by the way he played he was a Scott Henderson fan too and we hit it off. Can't wait to have him contribute tracks. I turned him on to MC and he'll be spreading the word to the NINJAM folks about us.
As to the server I can see it would be really helpfull to have some setup so people can jump in an thash out ideas. I know it would save a lot time if the other person was online. Also you might not need skype. I was jamming with a vocalist and she had no problem communicating so maybe adding a 2nd mike channel would be a good idea.
Just some thoughts. Like MC, NINJAM have really got me back into music.
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Hey Dave,
I was having timing issues last night. I could sync up with you, but was having a hard time with Dan and the drums machine. The signal would "skip".
When just Pat and I were jamming, We would sync fine, then would lose it after a while.
I think it has something to do with BPM.
It was fun seeing you in there last night. Did you mix any of the jam with the vocalist? Would love to hear that.
Nick
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Sorry you had the timming issues. I've not had man dropouts myselft.
The vocalist was just scatting on somegrooves I was doing but it was easier to communicate with her than typing.
Does it save all your jams. I hope it did because Cam was just rippin it up last night.
How do you get your jam data?
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Sorry you had the timming issues. I've not had man dropouts myselft.
The vocalist was just scatting on somegrooves I was doing but it was easier to communicate with her than typing.
Does it save all your jams. I hope it did because Cam was just rippin it up last night.
How do you get your jam data?
Run cliplogcvt.exe which is included with NINJAM from the command prompt..
for example, the thing that tends to work with the most things is:
Code:
cliplogcvt.exe -concat -decode -insertsilence 9999 <path to jam>
Which will produce a EDL .txt file (which Reaper and Vegas will open) a .lof file (which Audacity will open) (both of which have the start times for the wavs), and .wav files in concat\ in the jam directory.
Hope this helps!
-Justin
It saves it in the ninjam folder in programs. You have to hit the site, but they give you an exe to run from the cmd line with a couple of switches. It will compile to txt file. you can then drop that into reaper and all the tracks will build. bepndin on how long the session is it couldatake a little while to render the wavs.
Hope tha works...It did for me
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you can then drop that into reaper and all the tracks will build
An thats done how? I tried insert media and just opening it.
I guess I should RTFM....
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I just drag and droped the txt file into an open Reaper instance.
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Hey Dave,
I was having timing issues last night. I could sync up with you, but was having a hard time with Dan and the drums machine. The signal would "skip".
When just Pat and I were jamming, We would sync fine, then would lose it after a while.
I think it has something to do with BPM.
It was fun seeing you in there last night. Did you mix any of the jam with the vocalist? Would love to hear that.
Nick
Were you trying to stay with the metranome well I had the drums going? If so than that would explain why you couldn't stay sinced up to me, the drums on my distortion pedals don't actully have the bpm so I have to set it up my ear, but I didn't realise that while we were playing last... whenever... early afternoon for me, but anyway it was fun playig some of you guys yesterday.
So youy have to hae Reaper to be able to get your music? If so I can't get any of the jams that I've done due to have a Mac. and Reaper being a PC program. Ohh well.
Cheers Daniel
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No Dan,
It wasn't the metronome. But I believe the lag time is set by the bpm we choose. I turned down the metronome.
The drums and everything were fine, Then there would be a dropout and I had to stop to catch back up.
It was fun jammin' Dan!
Nick
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Twas fun Jammin' with you to Nick, your not in there at the moment playing, they actully have a drummer in 2051
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Do they actually have real musicians on there now? I tried it quite a while ago and it was very hit and miss, mostly miss. Just when we'd find a room with a couple people that could jam some script kiddie would come in an start blaring CD audio into the room mondo distorted, or someone would come in and jsut play horrid sounding guitar over everything. Spent more time muting people out that anything.
I think they have open source server software setup. It uses quite a bit of bandwidth, and requires command line access to set it up from what I remember. It's a good idea (latency with a globally distributed sync) but there's something important to be known about using their servers . . .
in their agreement it states that everything that happens on their servers is "free" in that it becomes Creative Commons licensed and they keep recordings of everything ... so if you're using it to work out arrangements be forewarned that playing it through their setup allows anyone to take it and do what they will with your music!
Mark
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Gerk,
I really like it. But most people already know this. Yes there are losers. I would put the players in one of 4 categories. Losers, clueless, beginner and advanced. The losers are the ones doing what you said, blasting music and befing offensive. I've seen that once. The Clueless are people with a instrument and a setup but they don't know how to use either. I've seen a fair amount of these but they usually are not offensive. There are a lot of beginners but I'm happy to jam with them as long as they are listening and trying to add something. I would say there about 10 or 25 really good players that are somking and are just an absolute joy to jam with. People like cam and jon on the guitar or wilhelm on the keys to name just a few and there are even some somking bass players there. There also have been a few drummer that have shown up. I would say about 1/2 the time I get into really cool jams that force me to stretch.
For me I get a lot out of it becuse I'm either doing the groove if there is no other bass players or comping chords if there is. Either way I get better by playing more. I guess I miss the old days of my Santa Cruz band where there was a big group of musicians of different levels that would get together alot and just flat out jam. As long as you were contributing in a positive way then it was all good. Then again I'm into instrumental music so for me it;s all about the soloing either backing people up doing it or doing it my self.
The other point I'd like ot make is that there are a lot beginner guitartists that try to start play their favorite songs and with the lag it just does not work. Even playing a tweleve bar is kinda tricky. But I have found that vamps and simple chord prograssions really work well and the funk thing is king there. I've also started to work on my walking which I really suck at. True I can do too many changes but I can work on the feel of things.
Using their web page to see who is playing is key. After about 5 min of playing you know if your like the person or not. If there are people just sitting doing nothing then I usually will start a groove. If they are plying somthing I don't like I move to another server.
I publish my music under that same license. All the collabs I play I give up rights to my basslines, except for my own tunes. So while yea they could take your nifty hook melody or lyrics they still can only use it for noncommercial works and have to attribute you as the author. Am I missing something here?
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Ahh they changed to a more liberal version of the CC license since I frist tried it ... it used to have no comemrcial limitation on it which is what made me cringe. I'm all for the CC licenses and I also use teh Share-alike version on most of my posted material :)
Mark
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Ya you da man that turned me onto it. :D
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hehe glad it's working out then :)
Mark
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They archive your jams! Check out this one. Not my best one (I actually suck) but this guy Jon is amazing. I was so diggin on doing that jam pretending to be Gary Willis. :D
http://autosong.ninjam.com/m3u.php/20060804_2101_0614-jon54-BP.m3u
http://autosong.ninjam.com/m3u.php/20060804_2101_0000-jon54-BP-fatigueof.m3u
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BassPlayer. That sounds pretty cool. I may have to check this out more. It would be cool to jam with a few people around here. :D