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Title: MIDI Timing with plugins. Sonar 7
Post by: NickT on January 27, 2008, 05:58:37 PM

I don't use to many midi files, but I have this problem sometimes.

If I import a midi file into cake and assign the tracks to a soft synth, they don't always line up. I mean they line up but won't play in time.

If I assign most of the gm to say the TTS and the drums to EzDrummer. The drums will be early buy a hair. I can nudge the midi track with 9 on the keypad and it lines up. Same wit Bass in Dimension or the piano in my new synth. They are all off but the tts or yamaha are not. I can't tell if the the GM is late or the vsti's are early.

Has anyone run into this?

Thanks,

Nick

Title: Re: MIDI Timing with plugins. Sonar 7
Post by: Bobby Watson on January 27, 2008, 07:15:13 PM

I've been dealing with timing and latency problems for years, Nick. I don't have an answer for your problem. But, I can offer you the work around that I use.

I insert a single note on channel 10 drums at 1:0:0 in the midi file.
Then, I render the tracks separately inclusive of the channel 10 note (most times a cowbell hit because of the quick attack on/off). After all the tracks are rendered, you have the click note in them to assist in lining everything up in your audio program.  It is not always the case, but most times latency is constant throughout playing/recording. Meaning that a track shouldn't drift once it is started.
Good luck with a common problem in using multiple sources.
BW@

Title: Re: MIDI Timing with plugins. Sonar 7
Post by: NickT on January 27, 2008, 08:49:41 PM

Thanks Bobby.

I just don't remember this happening before. I know it's a setting , but can't find it.

Thanks again,

Nick

Title: Re: MIDI Timing with plugins. Sonar 7
Post by: Tacman7 on January 27, 2008, 10:35:05 PM

There was a midi problem in cubase with latency.
You had to select Use System timestamp in a midi setting.

Sounds like a different problem though.

Title: Re: MIDI Timing with plugins. Sonar 7
Post by: CosmicDolphin on January 28, 2008, 06:55:56 AM

Sounds like the plugins have slightly different latency which isn't being compensated for ?

CD

Title: Re: MIDI Timing with plugins. Sonar 7
Post by: NickT on January 28, 2008, 08:31:09 AM

It's funny,

Most of my plugins line up with themselves. But if i us the GM Yamaha XG or the Roland TTS, They lag. I found a post about the roland. I also found this:

Quote

Add the following line in the TTSeq.ini file:

IgnoreMidiInTimeStamps=1

and it should be added under the [options] section.

If you don't have an [options] section, simply create one.

So I will try that also.

Thanks for the feedback! I will let you  know if i fix anything.

Nick